2008 BKB Winter Brew - Oatmeal Stout
Lookin good, EKG maybe hard to find right now, thinking maybe fuggle? Depending on the deadline to brew, we may have to think about these subs.
brewchez wrote:
I have never done the oatmeal containing mash without rice hulls, so I am not even sure how important they are to prevent that stuck sparge from the oats. I think when I first tried it I was just afraid of the stuck sparge that I added them in and I have never looked back.
If someone as experience with 1-2lbs of oats and not used hulls I would love to hear about it. Maybe we don't need them, but they are a very cheap insurance policy.
Here is another curve ball. Technically speaking Oatmeal stout was born out of the Sweet Stout style.
Does anyone want to consider putting some lactose in there oatmeal stout???? I haven't yet, but I am thinking about it. I sent an email out to a professional brewer I am mildly acquainted with to see if he had any advice, as the outmeal stout produced at his brewery was pretty good (IMO). I'll report back if he has any advice for me/us.
so maybe on the rice, for all-grainers, what about the wheat?
as far as the lactose, we have used it before in the BKB Milk stout, which was very good, dont know if i personally want to use it again i'd rather make some thing less sweet, we used 1 pound maybe we could use less?, but i'll go with what ever the majority wants
thirsty wrote:
Lookin good, EKG maybe hard to find right now, thinking maybe fuggle? Depending on the deadline to brew, we may have to think about these subs.
ya thats what i was thinking, so we could consider allowing multiple substitutions or just have it brewers choice
also there is no deadline to brew.
come on you guys/gals, The whole idea for doing an "oatmeal stout" is its relative simplicity. You can tweak, adjust, roast, more of this and less of that, but the brew isn't in the exact recpie, it's in the adjustments. How about thinking about it like this,:...Lets all brew an oatmeal stout. Upon it's completion, we trade, taste, write in our coments, whatever. The whole idea, is to make ourselves a good winter brew. The Official recpie, is as simple or as complex as you want to make it. Hell, some folks can go out and get a can full, and make 5 gal out of it. (you know what I mean?) Its not in the exatitude [sic], its in the simplicity.
allright, are we done?
5 gallon batch
7# base malt (5.25# LME)
2# Oats, Flaked (3/4 will be toasted)
1# crystal, whatever color you want
1/2# cara-pils
3/4# chocolate malt
3/4# roasted barley
1/2# Black Pat
1/2# Barley, Flaked (toast half)
Yeast:
1 Pkgs Irish Ale (Wyeast Labs #1084) Yeast-Ale
Hops: East Kent Golding or what ever you can find, shoot for IBU goal of 30ish
(IMO) when we started the community brew the idea was for it to be a group effort, with the final result all of us brewing the same recipe, ofcourse you can always tweak on your own, sorry if the process takes a little time, but there is no rush or deadline,i think it should just be a fun and positive experience to all.
FISHNAK:
I agree with the heart of what you are saying about simplicity and each others personal creativity however here is my counter argument. I kind of liked the idea of hearing other people input as to how and why they would adjust a certain ingredient. I can make recipes on my own all the time...in the dark. And I brew plenty of beer on my own already. I have a laundry list of things I am working on and trying all the time, adding a "Community Brew" to that list is not something I need...but I will.
This forum allows people of all degrees of experience to come together and discuss a recipe as its formulated. In some cases the more expereinced guys can put there recipe into the fold, or relate an experience about a certain amount of malt or a yeast type.
But the very same forum allows someone who is new the ability to ask a question: "Why do you guys think 1.5 pounds of black patent is too much?" And they can ask that question in a friendly supportive environment. That way they learn something, and they should feel like they contributed to a community experience.
I would think the process far more valuable to many more people than just voting on a brew type and saying good luck! Even if you don't brew the beer at least the lurkers and the newbies get something out of the process.
There are plenty of recipe databases out there to just get "simple" recipes from. But I never brew those, because I don't really know what the thought process was that went into them. I might go out ont he web and pull back 6-10 pale ale recipes and study them for their similarities and differences, but I am still doing that in the dark. That's the value of coming to a board like this to get involved with a recipe as it develops.
BrewLuva:
I want to work on a more appropriate extract version or partial mash of this recipe. I'll do that off line and post something. Converting an all grain Oatmeal Stout recipe to an extract based recipe isn't trivial (or simple). I just want to think about it a bit so that our non all-grain brothers and sisters can still make something decent. I personally don't think that 2 pounds of oats steeped is a good idea. I'll try and put something together and post it later today/tonight. Oh, and if anyone has a good idea or wants to take a crack at converting the recipe, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
brewchez wrote:
I I personally don't think that 2 pounds of oats steeped is a good idea. .
I usually use 3# in a 11 gallon batch and it is a thick mash and the beer has huge body. Is 2# in a 5 gallon batch too much? If you have done it in the past and it worked, i'm all for it, just have to think about stuck sparge complaints and the like. I never did PM or mini's so I can't comment on that side. My .$.02
thirsty wrote:
brewchez wrote:
I I personally don't think that 2 pounds of oats steeped is a good idea. .
I usually use 3# in a 11 gallon batch and it is a thick mash and the beer has huge body. Is 2# in a 5 gallon batch too much? If you have done it in the past and it worked, i'm all for it, just have to think about stuck sparge complaints and the like. I never did PM or mini's so I can't comment on that side. My .$.02
You can mash as much as you want, but I am refering to our extract with grain brewing buddies that may not be able to perform a mash and can only steep. For that set up I don't think that a 2 pound steep of oatmeal is a good idea, too much in converted starch. I think a half pound in the steep is more appropriate.
I have recently started partial mashing/extract. Using the bring to tempurature inside a stock pot, and put in warmed oven to keep the temp correct procedure. Do you think I could still use the 2# of oatmeal? Or should I use the cut back version of the extract you guys are talking about?
sounds good brewchez, please post the final versions , extract + all-grain.
please add instructions for toasting process.
thank you everyone, lets wrap this one up and BREW!!!
If anyone wishes to start and lead the next community brew, wether its based on season, holiday, or a random style, please feel free.